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Mireles · Jul 24, 2009, 05:32 AM // 05:32

I have noticed people talking about this a lot lately around guild wars. Just like to throw in an idea.

I used to HA back when the game just came out when it was in "tombs of primeval kings" before titles and Balthazar faction was introduced into the game. After rank discrimination began I noticed I spent more time searching for a party than actually inside HA. I saw this as a major flaw of PvP because I want to play more than I want to search for a party. Such discrimination does not exist in PvE, therefore I stopped PvP-ing all together.

My suggestion to minimize rank discrimination is to award more fame to parties with a wide variance of rank. For example a party of r9s will still get awarded the same amount of fame according to the current reward structure. Now take for example there was four r9s and four r3s, under my suggestion there would be an extra-fame bonus based exponentially on the players rank triggered because of the party accepting a number lower ranked players. IE everyone would receive fame under the current reward structure + a fame bonus...higher the rank larger the bonus.. more lower ranked players higher the bouns. This way it would be highly beneficial to a rank 12 players to play with and maybe teach much lower ranks bringing more people into the HA community.

Under this suggestion players are still rewarded for their experience and new players not only acceptable but desirable. Not only will this have positive effects for the game, but it will reduce the demand of ranked accounts being sold illegally online because of the desire of emote or the desire of acceptable rank.

This is assuming that fame is the ultimate goal....I assume this because of TAs unpopularity

I am not highly active in the PvP community so PvPers id appreciate your input.

fenix · Jul 24, 2009, 05:42 AM // 05:42

The downside being of course, rank 14 players bringing 7 rank 13-14 guildies on unranked 2nd accounts, and getting ridiculous fame boosts when everyone is huge rank anyway.

Ugh · Jul 24, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

I'm all for reducing rank discrimination, but...

Many people have second accounts. A high-ranked player could just hop on his low-ranked account to get free fame for all his guildies/friends. His team wouldn't be helping out a low-ranked player, they would be a team of high ranks abusing the system for fame.

Edit: I'm a slow typist...

Zzes Tyan · Jul 24, 2009, 05:50 AM // 05:50

put a rank 0 on bitchrole, FREE FAME FTW!

Helix Dreadlock · Jul 24, 2009, 05:54 AM // 05:54

ofc it could be abused but isnt everything?

they buy accs and do fame runs.

/signed.

Show Some Skin · Jul 24, 2009, 06:03 AM // 06:03

With 2nd accounts it would get abused but im all in for help get rid of rank discrimination so /signed

fenix · Jul 24, 2009, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Another problem, is that there's no REAL reason to being terrible players. You can just rotate around between high rank accounts and low rank accounts so that everyone gets big fame boosts equally, as opposed to bringing low rank players for the boost.

People will still discriminate, because no one will want terrible rank 1 players ruining their bonus fame runs.

Mireles · Jul 24, 2009, 06:37 AM // 06:37

yeah i see that flaw, the bonus would have to be based more on the number of lower ranked players more than the low ranks themselves. Plus low rank accounts won't stay low for very long. High and low ranked players in the party would only be the trigger.

capashen · Jul 24, 2009, 06:37 AM // 06:37

i just got a crazy idea . adding the rank of all players of a team shouldn't go over a number ( E.G. 40) . so low ranked and high ranked can be mixed.

a guild axpiring doing only HA so shoul buy more accounts this means more money for Anet and so a push for Gw2 ^^

Mireles · Jul 24, 2009, 06:44 AM // 06:44

I find it a little far fetched that players will buy new accounts just to have a low ranked account to boost other peoples fames.... (wouldn't surprise me thou) this bonus i suggest should no way be larger than the base reward structure. just enough to provide incentive to accept a lower rank instead of waiting around for a higher rank.

dtru89 · Jul 24, 2009, 06:53 AM // 06:53

/signed
one of the main reasons i dont pvp is because i know people wont want me in thier group. no way for me to learn if a cant even join. dont want to wait an hour to just to find group.

YunSooJin · Jul 24, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57

It's more of the 'get higher ranked players to play with lower ranked players so everyone can be happy'

Except higher ranked players will just find ways to circumvent it (as already shared in this thread) or just be resentful of what they will view as another dumb idea. On average, a lower ranked less experience player will not be accepted by a higher ranked group, simply because a certain level of experience is needed by the group.

It's kind of like giving higher rewards to a group who brings a newbie along in pve, except this time you can possibly lose a lot and the gameplay experience is not as forgiving. bad idea from front to back.

360° · Jul 24, 2009, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mireles

Such discrimination does not exist in PvE

"LFG Ursan r9+"

Yes, Ursan is nerfed, I know. That was just an example that that happens (or happened at least, not sure what the situation is atm) in PvE too.

Martin Alvito · Jul 24, 2009, 07:17 AM // 07:17

Because high-ranked had to endure either running a lame build or running with bad people in order to network and meet good people, high-ranked has no sympathy for low-ranked's demands for a shortcut.

Your unwillingness to suck it up and work at improving your play and meeting better players is why you are low ranked. Start focusing on what you can do to better your situation and quit whining to others about the inherent unfairness of it all. If you don't bring something to the table, no one's going to want to take you. If other people don't know that you bring something to the table, no one will ask you to go. Solve those two problems and the fame will start coming.

As fenix already pointed out, the OP's suggestion does not accomplish the intended mission and presents opportunities for abuse.

Hell Raiser · Jul 24, 2009, 07:32 AM // 07:32

Rank 3 is only 180 points, and from there you can join better and better groups. It's very simple: if you think you're good enough to play with high rank players, then it should be no problem for you to get to rank 3 and work your way up. If you're not good enough, or at least not patient enough, what makes you think you'll be able to pull your weight among high ranked players?

I'm barely even rank 3 (184 points, been that way for years), and I'm going to have to say /notsigned.

Still Number One · Jul 24, 2009, 07:46 AM // 07:46

the reason there is rank discrimination is because good players don't want to waste their time playing with bad players. Even if you implement this it won't change anything. Just because you can tell the high ranked player he can get more fame, doesn't mean he can get more wins. So in reality you would get more fame with the higher ranked players because you would be more likely to win.

This "rank discrimination is bad" argument is stupid. Stop trying to make proven players gimp their teams and take bad players. Get better then you can play with them. They don't want to play with you because you suck. In order to not suck, you have to get a guild filled with fellow sucky players and play the crap out of the game until you don't suck anymore. Then you can play with people who don't suck. Until then if you suck, you play with others who do suck. It is very simple I don't know why you people can't grasp it. You start at the bottom and work your way up. You play with people at your level. You don't play with people above your level. That is how you improve.

B E A S T M O D E · Jul 24, 2009, 08:05 AM // 08:05

the whole concept of rank discrimination is totally stupid...when i was rank 0, i played with a bunch of other rank 0's until i found a few that i stuck with...a poor person doesn't walk into an upscale restaurant expecting to get cheap food...by the same token, you can't just go to id1 straight from pve and expect to join a R10+ team...there are enough brainless retarded builds to feed r0+ people fame...stop crying...seriously

Shasgaliel · Jul 24, 2009, 08:15 AM // 08:15

hmm everytime we want do HA there are never sufficient players for it. Outpost is deserted and alliance is silent. We have r7 we have r0 and we do not care whom we take and still we end up taking heroes since there is no one looking for a group. Or one wants bloodspike and other wants balanced and then group does not form since there is no consensus. What is the point of rank discrimination nowadays? People have their own groups. They already know all other high ranked players since they fight them all the time. Taking someone new may reduce their coordination and harm the whole team. One team of r10 faces team of r10. Would anyone even consider taking a r3 to his r10 group seeing group of other r10 in the HA outpost?

Shayne Hawke · Jul 24, 2009, 10:57 AM // 10:57

Solution to rank discrimination:

Your guild.

/notsigned

Fabez · Jul 24, 2009, 11:06 AM // 11:06

I'm all for reducing rank discrimination/elitist behavior, which some people above me have so amazingly displayed (thanks for proving my point, I owe you one). The problem is that I don't think you're going to change a certain "thought process" by ways of a game mechanic.

While I see your reasoning for this suggestion, I doubt many of the higher-ranked players would be willing to put more then a single lower-ranked player into their team. It would lower their chances of winning if they took more, and some (non-gimmick) builds simply do require a certain skill level, which lower-ranked players may or may not have.

Due to the above, as mentioned before by others, I don't find it unthinkable that they'll just take one of their alternate accounts (low-ranked) with them to gain the bonus, without actually using the system the way it was intended.

The best solution I can give you now is to either go with friends/guild-/alliance members, or to start your own groups for HA.

- Fabez, r1 Hero player and proud of it.